What's up with Zodiac and Volkswagens?

[BDHOLLAND]

[Claypooles]

Okay, but the Zodiac could still have seen the keys if BH showed them to him and thus know what car to write his message on.

[BDHOLLAND]

Okay, but the Zodiac could still have seen the keys if BH showed them to him and thus know what car to write his message on.

Sure there are all sorts of angles to this. I get some people are going to say nothing here but I am interested in the small % that might see something important. Sometimes that is all I need be it now or later.

This is a cold case. Not a fresh one. Hence what has been tried and tested IMO is not the way forward for various reasons I won't get into.

All this stuff is fine for current cases like the stats but with something this old and going nowhere fast this is the sort of thing historical research can shed light on at least.

[Claypooles]

Except there is nothing important in CJB and BH both driving the same brand of car. We don't even know if CJB was killed by Zodiac, for starters... Making such assumptions knowing they can't but remain assumptions is useless :/

[Chaucer]

And this is why you receive so much “hate”.

You have been given reason after reason and fact after fact, and you still proudly cling to the idea that Zodiac targeted people because of their cars and his ability to disable them. You do this despite the fact that there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that Hartnell’s car was tampered with or any of the cars in the canonical crimes for that matter.

Nevertheless, you are dogged in this flawed premise and sanctimoniously dismiss anyone who disagrees with you or corrects you as a “troll”.

The bottom line is you aren’t here to learn or collaborate. You’re here seeking validation for your own half-cocked theories. You’re not filled with curiosity or inquisitiveness; you’re filled with hubris and arrogance.

[Claypooles]

I wouldn't say he is a troll, but he has clearly fallen into the Zodiac trap, that is giving too much importance to what-ifs and adding insignificant "info" to a case that already contains way too much of it.

[BDHOLLAND]

And this is why you receive so much “hate”.

You have been given reason after reason and fact after fact, and you still proudly cling to the idea that Zodiac targeted people because of their cars and his ability to disable them. You do this despite the fact that there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that Hartnell’s car was tampered with or any of the cars in the canonical crimes for that matter.

Nevertheless, you are dogged in this flawed premise and sanctimoniously dismiss anyone who disagrees with you or corrects you as a “troll”.

The bottom line is you aren’t here to learn or collaborate. You’re here seeking validation for your own half-cocked theories. You’re not filled with curiosity or inquisitiveness; you’re filled with hubris and arrogance.

Your source was Tom Voigt and you declared yourself right and all other sources wrong including the police report in the contemporary I quoted. You put a modern view over that.

End of.

There is no justification for personally attacking people.

So what if you think it means nothing. If you have nothing to contribute go elsewhere instead of trolling people with personal attacks. I disagree with your analysis. It's bad for the reasons I have given.

[BDHOLLAND]

I wouldn't say he is a troll, but he has clearly fallen into the Zodiac trap, that is giving too much importance to what-ifs and adding insignificant "info" to a case that already contains way too much of it.

What I am doing is just going through something I never saw addressed before. The problem with these general claims things have nothing to do with anything is no one is omniscient enough to know that in this context of a historical crime unless the police reports say so.

One can only say they think it means nothing especially in these circumstances where there are confounding variables everywhere because of the case age and just getting at the raw historical data.

I don't know about other people but I am able to walk and chew gum. Basically hold several different models working different ways for comparative analysis.

The trap I see is the inventing problems of mutual exclusivity where none existed. Neither this or that, but can be both or all. Such as the Zodiac symbol being a cross hair, celtic cross symbol, compass. The Zodiac has used it as all three. Oh and as example of radians also. There is far too much conflict in areas where none need be.

My thinking is everyone's research can have value of something to me. That's why I just don't go around crapping on everyone's thoughts. Doing that goes nowhere. It's an emotional thing that researchers actually have no use for and if anything is just a wedge being thrown in by others. It's also what held the community back for decades now. If people want to rehash the same stuff they can do that elsewhere. I am interested in using what I learned from EARONS for example.

The proof I suppose is in the pudding. It's what comes out of it.

[Claypooles]

Problem here, my friend, is that your analysis is not really good either, IMO. First, I have a hard time believing Zodiac killed CJB. And I also can't picture someone killing people because of the brand of car they drive, but I admit we've seen weirder logic in criminal history (search for Jean-Marie Von Matt if you want a thrilling example).

[Chaucer]

If you have nothing to contribute go elsewhere instead of trolling people with personal attacks. I disagree with your analysis. It's bad for the reasons I have given.

I have been posting here for years, and have never had issues with anyone - until you. Moreover, you have said you have received hate on reddit, zk.com, and here. Want to know what those three places have in common? You. Maybe you should start to consider that you are the problem instead of calling everyone trolls.

You want to disagree with my analysis? Fine. But what you’re really doing is disagreeing with facts to prevent your premise from falling apart.

1, There’s NO EVIDENCE that any of the cars in the canonical crimes were tampered with. FULL STOP.

2. William Crow is on record about what he doing the night of Dec. 20, 1968, and it had nothing to do with working on the motor. FULL STOP.

if you want to make huge fallacious leaps of logic, go ahead, but don’t pretend they’re “analysis”.

I’m really done with you this time. I will no longer reply to any of your posts nor engage in any of your threads. You can go on your quixotic goose chase without me.