I honestly believe nobody "pulled a goof" nor "peeled rubber

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Postby Israelite Wolfman » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:31 am

Soze wrote:If the zodiac was in the front seat and, if he had Paul's head in his lap, I would think only the left side of the zodiac body would have blood on it. The zodiac travelling up Jackson would only have the right side of his body exposed to the police travelling from the opposite direction. Might explain what ever that "lope" is. Seeing a car come and him trying to hide his left side.


Thanks, Which again refutes his claim the 2 cops have ever stopped him and talked to him since he wouldn't be approaching them like a crab only going in a half body exposed form, he'd have to reveal his full body to approach and talk with them and if he was stopped that shortly after the murder he'd be identified for sure with his bloody left side and **perhaps** strong smell of blood "dropping" from his bloodstained clothes.
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Re: I honestly believe nobody "pulled a goof" nor "peeled ru

Postby Seagull » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:18 am

But would you see blood on a man in dark clothing, on a poorly lit street? Doubtful that he was dripping in blood.
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Postby Theforeigner » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:41 pm

Concerning people who don't believe that the man Fouke and Zelms stopped could bee the zodiac killer because
"if he was the Zodiac killer he would have had blood all over his pants because he had Paul Stines head in his lap while tearing of the piece of Stines shirt etc"

Well...Donald Fouke wrote in his memo that the man they stopped, who many believe to be the Zodiac killer (myself included), was wearing:

"Brown wool pants pleeted type baggy in rear (rust brown)"

Now, if a pair of brown wool pants was full of blood what color would they then turn into ?


Here is a copy of Fouke's memo:

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Postby DoctorS » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:57 am

Sorry but the pedagogue in me feels the need to point out that an average IQ is 100, with college graduates scoring about 115. Don't know how you arrived at Zodiac's IQ, but 115-120 is pretty bright. Well above average, even considering IQ is fluid and subject to change. I believe Ted Buddy scored at 120 and ALA was in the 130s. Probably a much lower EQ.
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Re: I honestly believe nobody "pulled a goof" nor "peeled ru

Postby Theforeigner » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:55 pm

Israelite Wolfman wrote:I don't know (like all of you) what have really occurred on that night when cabdriver Paul Stine was murdered but something isn't right with the claim of the zodiac killer. It took him almost a month (9/11/1969 - where he stated clearly to give the police false/fake "clews"/clues to ran across so they'll never find him) to allegedly recall an encounter with the SFPD when all he was after in his letters was taunting the police of how "smart he is" and how "incompetent they are"? I believe he learned of Donald Fouke's testimony from the papers (after the San Francisco Police Department's sketch was modified according to the notes Fouke had) and used that "running into a pedestrian at Jackson Street" to mess with them and with the media. This whole section which was marked by him as "MUST PRINT IN PAPER" was made up for that very reason. Don't forget he he already mailed two letters since the Paul Stine murder prior that one and never mentioned such an event when the whole SF Bay Area were terrorized, so it gives away his scheme.

The funny thing is that in October 13th, 1969 letter he mailed 2 days after the Paul Stine slaying he claimed the "closest" the police ever came to him was only when he came out of cover ("The S.F. Police could have caught me last night if they had searched the park properly instead of holding road races with their motorcicles seeing who could make the most noise. The car drivers should have just parked their cars and sat there quietly waiting for me to come out of cover.") - it's like he's incoherent with his own tales and is clumsy even with such simple task as lying.

It wasn't the only time "zodiac" proven to us he was full of shit, the same thing happened a day prior (8/11/1969) to the note where he "confessed" for having a small talk with two cops who "ran into him 3 minutes after he left the cab" and deceived them into going the other way around. In that November 8th, 1969 letter he claimed to have already killed 7 victims since December 1968 (counting as follow: Dec., July, August, September, October), yet at 27/9/1969 when he (if it was indeed him who committed the Cecilia Shepard's murder) listed the murders he committed on Bryan Hartnell's Carmen Ghia, he never mentioned to have operated on August.

That very same thing occurred when somebody in Los Angeles called Paul Avery and said that the zodiac was "most likely" the same man who killed Cheri Joe Bates on October's 30th of 1966 at Riverside City College zodiac took credit (13/03/1971 letter) for it even if there was nothing connecting him to the case because he enjoyed the terror he inflicted into people's hearts and the false "power position" it gave him, and to do so he "gave credit to the Police" for "stumbling his Riverside activity" (which NOW I tend to believe he didn't do as the handwriting on the 3 "Bates had to die" didn't match his own from ~3 years later and also the "confession letter" and fake "fellow student" letters were made through a typing machine and sending photocopied versions not on the method of handwriting and actual/original copy mailing the zodiac used, if he was so "smart" he wouldn't revert to a tactic where his traceable actual palm print is left on the paper - all the connection I may see is the "z" at the bottom of the 3 letters and the usage of 2 stamps on each letter/envalope as the "zodiac" did - yet, I don't think it's strong enough evidence). If he was brave as he wished to be viewed, he didn't managed to pull it off in this case, the "confession letter" author spoke of prior murders before Bates yet "zodiac" stated in the ending of that very same 9/11/1969 letter "To prove that I am the Zodiac, Ask the Vallejo cop about my electric gun sight which I used to start my collecting of slaves" meaning he just begun his killing spree with David Faraday and Betty-Lou Jensen at Lake Herman Road (20/12/1968).

The same case of being full of shit had happened to him with Kathleen Jones, it is clear as heck he was following the news/media in general to see what they were
reporting about him and once he heard of that alleged abduction attempt by him (that was committed by some other murican psycho, like there are not too many of them already in that immigrants' "melting pot") he rode upon that as he did with the Cheri Jo Bates' case, simply because it could benefit him and his desired "evil mastermind who lurks everywhere" public image. In fact, I won't fall from the chair if it was the same case with Donna Lass, someone close enough to her (knew her landlord and boss' numbers) did killed her and made his way with the body, "zodiac" (if he indeed was the 35-45 yo merchant mariner who spoke with Robert Tarbox back in 1972) read about it and decided to "hitch a ride" upon that as well.

All I can say about this guy is that he's roughly 115-120 in terms of IQ scoring, obviously not a "genius". evil? yes, cruel? yes, but not the smartest guy around. If it was indeed one guy and not a "zodiac crew" - I sometimes think these 4 dots he drew on the ZVF symbol may have mean that there wasn't just one guy involved (as both Mike Meageu and the 3 teenagers who saw him wiping Stine's cab stated he was a 25-30 years old, over 102 KG, roughly 5'8"-5'9" and not a 5'11"-6'0" guy as Cecilia Shepard described her murderer to be nor 35-45 yo "who weighs 100 pounds less than Arthur Leigh Allen" as Donald Fouke described him).

Even his "crackproof" ciphers are stupid and rather childish, making up a "secret code language" he used for his ciphers is something not so brilliant when you think of it, it's something we used to do as elementary kids who already mastered the "ordinary ABC".

You have the age of Zodiac wrong:

Here are all witness description of the suspect, believed to be the Zodiac killer,
observed at the Paul Stine murder October 11, 1969.


Quote from police report, dated October 12, 1969, 12:30 AM:

WMA, in his early forties, 5'8" , heavy build, reddish-blond "crew-cut" hair, wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black) "Parka" jacket, dark shoes. Suspect should have many blood stains on his person and clothing


Quote from wanted poster dated October 13, 1969

WMA, 25-30 years, 5'8" to 5'9, reddish brown hair - crew cut. heavy rim glasses, navy blue or black jacket.

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Quote from wanted poster published later same day October 13, 1969:

Amended drawing.
Supplementing our bulletin 87-69 of October 13, 1969. Additional information has developed the above amended drawing of murder suspect known as "ZODIAC"

WMA, 35-45 years, approximately 5'8", heavy build, short brown hair, possibly with red tint, wear glasses.


Quote from patrolman Donald Fouke police report, dated November 12, 1969 :

“The suspect that was observed by officer Fouke was a WMA 35-45 Yrs about 5'10", 180-200 lbs. Medium heavy build- Barrel chested- Medium complexion- Light-colored hair possibly greying in rear (May have been lighting that caused this effect.) Crew cut- wearing glasses- Dressed in dark blue waist length zipper type jacket (Navy or royal blue) Elastic cuffs and waist band zipped part way up. Brown wool pants pleated type baggy in rear (Rust brown) May have been wearing low cut shoes. Subject at no time appeared to be in a hurry walking with a shuffling lope, Slightly bent forward. The subject’s general appearance to classifiy him as a group would be that he might be of Welsh ancestry.”
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