Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby PinkPhantom » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:15 pm

Officer Fouke, the officer who witnessed who he believed was the Zodiac around Jackson Street in SF, described Z as having a very distinctive walk. He described the walk as a "shuffling lope". There are many things that can effect someone's walking gait. An individual's walking gate can reveal much about them psychologically even. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2922365/

And Via UKSpyCatcher:
"September 27th 1969 three girls spotted the unknown man. On page 396 of Robert Graysmith Unmasked, one of the girls recalled the suspicious character, stating "I wouldn't say he had a limp, but he favored one leg when he walked".

I'm not sure if any other victims noticed Z having a limp or distinctive walk. If anyone knows, please let me know so I can add it here.

IMO Officer Fouke's description of the Zodiac almost makes it seem as if the Zodiac had issues maneuvering in his shoes, like his mobility was limited somehow with his feet with the "shuffling" and "loping" at the same time. Are we to infer that Zodiac had his head down and was "shuffling/loping" away very fast when Fouke witnessed him?

I am going to THEORIZE that the Zodiac may have wore different shoe sizes at different crime scenes/attack sites so his shoe print could throw off investigators. I'm thinking "The Usual Suspects". This may help account for the differing size in shoe prints at some crime scenes (if connected, CJB assailant shoe print was between size 8-10 and Lake B print was 10 1/2) and it could explain why he had issues picking his feet up off the ground, let alone with even weight on each foot. Also, his reference in one letter specifically to the "Little List" verse about "Twisted Shoes" interests me. Then again, there are many theories I and others have as to why Z walked the way he did.

Do you have any THEORIES as to why Z may have walked in an awkward manner? Please share with me :) thanks.

*Debates as to whether or not Z even had a distinctive walk are also encouraged as long as they remain friendly and not snarky. Pretty Please respect other posters. If it no longer is fun for you then by all means move on if you wish. *
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby Susie » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:20 pm

If it was because of wearing a different shoe size I would imagine that he would have trouble with both feet and not just favor one. My guess is either an injury or disease such as polio.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby PinkPhantom » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:22 pm

Thanks Susie. Polio definitely was prevalent back before the 60's so I can see it as a strong possibility! Did all the victims describe his odd walking style or just some of them? I need some guidance on this from you guys. :). Researching myself for the time being.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby Tahoe27 » Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:32 pm

The three girls at Lake Berryessa never mentioned anything about a limp.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby PinkPhantom » Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:54 pm

Tahoe27 wrote:The three girls at Lake Berryessa never mentioned anything about a limp.


Thank you. The site I sourced must have been mistaken. I'll take your word over theirs and remove the incorrect LB info. This is why I need yall!
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby capricorn » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:35 pm

Tahoe27 wrote:The three girls at Lake Berryessa never mentioned anything about a limp.


Interesting. Did they see him walking or just see him standing observing them? If they saw him walking without a limp, and if the man they saw is the same one who attacked Bryan and Cecelia, then I would think surely he changed shoes when he put on the disguise and was wearing shoes that were the wrong size or had something stuffed in them to either change his height or cause the unusual walk.

Imo, the latter is the case and that would make it easier for Z to blend in at his job without suspicion if he walked normally and everyone was looking for someone with a limp.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby Tahoe27 » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:22 am

capricorn wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:The three girls at Lake Berryessa never mentioned anything about a limp.


Interesting. Did they see him walking or just see him standing observing them? If they saw him walking without a limp, and if the man they saw is the same one who attacked Bryan and Cecelia, then I would think surely he changed shoes when he put on the disguise and was wearing shoes that were the wrong size or had something stuffed in them to either change his height or cause the unusual walk.

Imo, the latter is the case and that would make it easier for Z to blend in at his job without suspicion if he walked normally and everyone was looking for someone with a limp.


The girls never described an unusual walk. They did see him walk. He came down in the same manner as the guy who attacked Bryan & Cecelia.

If anyone needs to refresh--via zodiackiller.com: http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport8.html
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby UKSpycatcher » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:49 am

Tahoe27 wrote:
capricorn wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:The three girls at Lake Berryessa never mentioned anything about a limp.


Interesting. Did they see him walking or just see him standing observing them? If they saw him walking without a limp, and if the man they saw is the same one who attacked Bryan and Cecelia, then I would think surely he changed shoes when he put on the disguise and was wearing shoes that were the wrong size or had something stuffed in them to either change his height or cause the unusual walk.

Imo, the latter is the case and that would make it easier for Z to blend in at his job without suspicion if he walked normally and everyone was looking for someone with a limp.


The girls never described an unusual walk. They did see him walk. He came down in the same manner as the guy who attacked Bryan & Cecelia.

If anyone needs to refresh--via zodiackiller.com: http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport8.html


The murder likely took place at Washington and Maple Street, as he said in the October 13th letter 'I am the murderer of the taxi driver over by Washington St and Maple St last night, to prove this here is a blood stained piece of his shirt'. there was nothing to be gained by lying here, with the killer shooting Paul Stine at this location, however any control was forfeited when the taxicab, not in park, motioned forward. The killer's plan of removing items from the victim, particularly the portion of Paul Stine's shirt, to send to the San Francisco Chronicle, was now in jeopardy. Thinking on his feet, quite literally, the murderer quickly exited the moving vehicle by the left rear door and entered the left front driver door, stepped over the lifeless body of Paul Stine, possibly bracing himself against the front compartment for support, he then pushed against the left side of Paul Stine, to access the vehicle pedals and coasted the taxicab to the next intersection, Washington and Cherry.
When the Zodiac Killer exited the moving vehicle, he may have injured his ankle as his foot planted or jarred on the roadside or quite possibly he aggravated a previous injury. This may explain his unhurried exit away up Cherry Street and the 'lumbering gait, sort of stumbling along, like a 'semi-limp', described by Donald Fouke.
Two weeks prior to this murder, on September 27th 1969 three girls spotted the unknown man. On page 396 of Robert Graysmith Unmasked, one of the girls recalled the suspicious character, stating "I wouldn't say he had a limp, but he favored one leg when he walked".
Wing-Walkers and Jump boots are designed for ankle support, favored by the military, but why was the Zodiac Killer wearing them. Was it indicative of a military connection or nothing more than a man who chose this style of footwear, to protect and support a long standing foot or ankle complaint, that came under close examination, as he exited the moving vehicle at Washington and Maple.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby Tahoe27 » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:38 am

Where did you get that he may have aggravated a previous injury? There are a ton of "may haves". One could assume many things.

Graysmith had a way of trying to convince people of this "lumbering gait" since he used the term about a hundred times in his book. In the official police report, none of the girls mention anything about the way he walked. It's certainly up to folks if they choose to believe Graysmith--but, by the time ZU came along there was so much fluff thrown in that is simply isn't anything I can put a lot of faith in.

We know Fouke mentioned it, but it doesn't mean Zodiac always walked that way and I think it unfortunate it has become some sort of Zodiac folklore that this man walked around all the time with some sort of gimp and a droopy left eye.
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Re: Possible reasons for zodiac's odd walking style

Postby UKSpycatcher » Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:48 am

Do you have any theories as to why Z may have walked in an awkward manner? Please share with me :) thanks.

That was a theory. Nobody asked for fact. 'May have's' are theories. If we only went on facts this forum would have ran out of topics a long time ago. If the initial question had asked for facts, then nobody could answer and the thread couldn't exist.
Quote: I am going to theorize that the Zodiac may have wore different shoe sizes at different crime scenes/attack sites so his shoe print could throw off investigators. I'm thinking "The Usual Suspects".. This is a 'may have'. The whole Zodiac community relies on theories and 'may have's'. That's called speculation and creates discussion.

'One could assume many things'. Yes, and we all do it, all of the time. :D
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