Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Seagull » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:50 pm

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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Tahoe27 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:56 pm

Wow...so young! I have never seen Toschi like this before. Wonder who Mr. Willy (sp) was at the end. ;)
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Seagull » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:00 pm

I wasn't sure if Armstrong said Willy or Woolly!!
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Quicktrader » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:25 am

It was not until April 24, 1978 that Zodiac had directly addressed to Toschi in his (first) Herb Caen letter. Handwriting appears authentic to me and has Toschi been cleared of faking this particular letter (http://www.zodiacciphers.com/the-1978-letter.html).

Assuming it to be authentic for a second, it raises the question why Z had addressed Toschi. IMO there might be only two reasons for that:

- Toschi had successfully investigated Z in his 'real life', thus Z nearly got busted and he coped with it by mentioning Toschi in his next letter (as another 'hint')
"He will get tired, then leave me alone" (Z implying that Toschi had not only once investigated him in his real life)

- Z had spoken in general about Toschi giving up his case, however he referred to 'Tales of the City' where Toschi was present as an investigator but Z felt that he'd be 'better'

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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby YourSecretPal » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:20 am

I think Mr Willy was just someone proposing a theory to decrypting one of the codes, and Armstong was manning the tip line?

Also I don't think the Herb Caen letters are legit. I think they're copying Zodiac to the best of their knowledge, maybe just to keep the case alive. Not saying it's Toschi who wrote them,
But they left out some other things I can't disclose yet.
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Coffee Time » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:56 pm

They found DNA on that letter. It's still considered a hoax. Soooo...they probably know more than they're telling.
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby YourSecretPal » Mon May 08, 2017 5:38 pm

Good point Coffee Time.
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby Coffee Time » Fri May 12, 2017 11:12 pm

I'm not sure why it came up on this particular thread, but there's some wacky stories about the Caen letter in the Lafferty book. Alan Keel (SFPD lab chief) allegedly told LL and his partner that:

A) Toschi was cleared by DNA, and that Toschi...
B) ..."actually admitted" to writing it (!).

Did Keel let something slip there? He initially stated that Toschi refused to provide a sample, then mysteriously "remembered" that they had already obtained one from old files.

When asked, three different times, if DNA from the '74 and '78 letters matched, Keel answered:

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes

:?

(Reworded my post, since I had misremembered part of the book. LL did not ask about the Exorcist letter specifically.)
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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby mike_r » Sat May 13, 2017 2:47 am

Hi-

Yes, Keel was very frustrating to talk to. I spoke to him in February 2007 just before the movie came out and he told me the exact same thing about forgeries. He said that the SFPD lab separates the letters into two groups, the "true" Z letters that are characterized by not having been licked and two "forgeries" that were licked by the forger. DNA that is easily extracted from the two forgeries matches between the two. He said that one of the forgeries was the 1978 letter and that one was one of the 1974 letters but he "could not recall" which one. I think that is a load of bull. If I had discovered that one of the letters was a forgery, I certainly would not "forget" which one. I think it is a hold back.

In 2000, Tom V. got his hands on a DNA summary sheet that was prepared in the Keel era. RG reproduced it in his second book. The only 1974 letter that had been analyzed for DNA by the time that chart was compiled (i.e., while Keel was at SFPD was the Exorcist letter. That is why I, too, believe that it is the 1974 forgery.

IIRC, after that initial conversation Keel never responded to any of my questions again.

My own belief is that SFPD did obtain Toschi';s DNA and they know if he is the forger or not. However, given how political I know the department to be, if he was the forger they are not copping to it because of how embarrassing it would be to them. Even if DT had refused to provide a sample, we all know how easy it would have been to grab his Coke can or fork at a restaurant and have it analyzed. So they know and Keel's coyness about that whole thing suggests that they do know but are not saying. IMHO only.

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Re: Toschi Dec. 28, 1969 Press Interview

Postby morf13 » Sat May 13, 2017 8:36 am

I personally think there is Zero % chance that the Exorcist letter is a fake. I think the Badlands letter is real. To me, it leaves the SLA letter as a possible fake,not that I personally think it's a fake,but of the 3,I would think that one before the others. What if it is not a 'fake', but simply mistaken as a Zodiac letter? It doesn't say Zodiac anyplace on there, makes no threats, somebody screening the mail just put it aside as a Z letter. Again, I personally don't think any of them are fakes,just sayin
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