Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Theforeigner » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:58 pm

Richard Grinell wrote:The only one that matches the card is Denise Kathleen Andersen, who disappeared on April 13th 1971.


Of interest is that:

Zodiac's posted his letter 7/13/1971
Denise K Andersen DOB 7/13/1948
So Zodiac posted his letter on Denise K Andersen's 23th birthday

Additionally of interest:

Denise was last seen 04/13/1971
Zodiac posted letter 7/13/1971
So Zodiac posted his letter on the exact 3month anniversary of Denise K Andersen's disappearance.

And then we have the "April" :
Zodiac wrote "In the woods dies April"
Denise K Andersen disappeared in April


Are this all coincidences ? probably, but who knows ?
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Theforeigner » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Denise Kathleen Anderson
in the California Birth Index, 1905-1995
Name: Denise Kathleen Anderson
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1948
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Vassilopoulos
Birth County: Sacramento

Denise Anderson
in the U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995
Name: Denise Anderson
Residence Year: 1971
Street address: 441 45th St
Residence Place: Sacramento, Sacramento, California, USA
Occupation: Student
Publication Title: Sacramento, California, City Directory, 1971
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Richard Grinell » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:14 am

The birthday match is uncanny, considering the 3 month delay from disappearance to communication.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Cragle » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:37 am

There is also a Monticello in San Jose which is nearby to Hollywood
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby buyerninety » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:58 am

I still think that the Rancho Monticello location is likely, as "victims", say a couple or
two females, would be easier to obtain from a busy resort (not necessarily both at once,
but several over a close time period). Also, if people went missing from a resort, they
would be less likely to be missed, as the assumption would be that someone simply 'went
back home' from the resort (& home could have been from some other State).

THAT SAID, and placing that location now to the side in my thoughts, the coincidences
Re; Denise Anderson that TheForeigner has noted several posts back, make it
worth considering a location in Sacramento.

In this webpage comments section;
http://missingpersonscommentary.blogspo ... twork.html
we learn that articles Re Denise Kathleen Anderson may have appeared in the newspapers
'Sacramento Bee' & the 'Sacramento Union'. 'Roommates' names may have been noted in
any such newspaper articles.
Also, it appears the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department;
are publically interested in old missing persons cases & therefore may be helpful if we
wished to know, for instance, if DKA had a drivers licence & if she owned a car, make/model.
+ - + - + - + - +
EDIT:( Sacramento Bee - Crime section - SACT0 911 )
"Law enforcement collaboration to identify missing people launching in
Sacramento
By Benjy Egel
April 16, 2018 09:01 AM
The Sacramento County Sheriff's Department is starting a new program to
help gather more information on long-missing people and tie them to
unclaimed or unidentified bodies when applicable.

"Missing in California" kicks off with an event for family or friends of
the vanished from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturday, June 9 at Sacramento State's
Harper Alumni Center. Representatives from victim advocacy groups, the
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and the National
Missing and Unidentified Persons System are expected to be there as well
as law enforcement from the greater Sacramento area.

Attendees are encouraged to bring photos of their missing loved ones as
well as dental and medical records. Consenting relatives can give DNA
samples to help fill out missing persons' reports.

Flyers for the event with details in other languages, including Punjabi,
Russian and Arabic, are available on Missing in California's Facebook page.
Translators will be available at the June 9 event if requested in advance."
{NOTE: Dec 2019 I removed the original URL link & instead listed the news
item text as above, due to the sacbee.com website giving a virus warning
associated with their 'vd.trinitymedia.ai' media player. Possibly a false
positive.}
+ - + - + - + - +


If DKA were murdered, her killer could have (most likely) obtained her DOB from any drivers
licence she carried.
Is there anyone in Sacramento, CA who would be interested in making enquiries with Police &
newspapers as above? (I am not currently in the Continential United States).
-----------------

Taking this line of reasoning a bit further, there is a Monticello Court, Citrus Heights, CA
(Sacramento) which may or may not have been in existence, or at least laid out in
developement building lots, in 1971.
Homes in and around Monticello Ct show a build date of 1974, e.g.;
6908 Monticello Ct -1974
6923 " - 1974
6901 " - 1974 corner with Crosswoods Circle
6900 " - 1974 " "
nearby;
6901 Vera Cruz Ct - 1974
6817 Castillo Ct - 1974
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Citrus-Height ... e/19203114

Nearby is the wooded area that follows Arcade Creek;
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monti ... 21.3039209
It appears that Historicalaerials has an overhead for 1993 and 1966, but not for between
these years.;
https://www.historicaerials.com/locatio ... 27/1993/18
EDIT
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Soze » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:24 am

I'm posting because of a recent communication and for the fact that I only posted on this topic at the old site. It's only my opinion.

"Near Monticello - shought victims 21 - in the woods dies April"

First, "victims 21", the zodiac would never have given a single number to what appears to be multiple victims. Second, "in the woods dies April", the zodiac has never mentioned a victim by name. Third, the Zodiac has never taken a victim, dead or alive, and hid them somewhere (dead or alive). He always left them where he killed them and it's always been on public.

So it would appear that this communication was written by someone other than the Zodiac or, if written by the Zodiac, the Zodiac meant something other than a victim.

Picking out the particulars we have Monticello, 21, woods and April.

Not a whole hell of a lot to go on here.

Monticello:

Monticello brings about thoughts of Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was the face on a stamp used by the Zodiac.

Hearst Castle, owned by the Hearst family, was often compared with Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. The location for this home is in Pleasanton, California. Pleasanton being the mailing location for one of the Zodiac's letters. Pheobe Apperson Hearst, mother to William Randolph Hearst, had also paid for electrical work to Thomas Jefferson's Monticello. The Hearst's owned the Examiner to which the Zodiac had mailed some of his letters. They also had their hand in the Chronicle a few years before this communication with the Sunday paper. So there is a a small connection of the Hearst's to this communication.

Monticello, as stated by others, was once a town covered by lake berryessa. Lake berryessa being the scene of the suspected zodiac crime against Bryan Hartnell and Cecilia Shepard.

Monticello is also a road in San Raphael. San Rafael being the mailing location for one of the Zodiac's letters.

There have been talks previously about the Sierra Club. The Sierra Club is pretty much the central theme to the "peek through the pines" card. In my opinion, the Sierra Club, is also the theme to the eyes on the Halloween card; the eyes representing the heirarchy of the club. It should also be mentioned that a Sierra Club member had a home right around the corner from where the Zodiac was last seen on the night of Paul Stines death. The member: Ansel Adams.

There have been talks about water being a central theme for the Zodiac. San Francisco has had water issues since the 1850's and it is still going on. Pleasanton is in this as well. The Sierra Club has been in this mess since the 30's due to San Francisco wanting to dam the Hetch Hetchy. PGE, also being talked about, had their hands in this mess. Seems San Francisco may have struck a deal with them for water and their pipes just happened to stop exactly where San Francisco needed it to. Of course this is according to all I have read on the subject of water.

This is just a few of the things I have put together concerning the Monticello portion. It would seem to me that the statement "near Monticello - shought victims 21, in the woods dies April" may be more about the Sierra Club than any victim could ever be.

Adding in the fact that the founder of the Sierra Club, John Muir, was born on April 21st makes it even more compelling.

I've discussed Monticello, 21 and April. Not mentioned is the woods portion of this communication.

Monticello road in San Rafael is 17 miles from what is known as Muir Woods National Monument. Muir Woods National Monument is dedicated to the memory of John Muir; founder of the Sierra Club. How close does Monticello have to be to be classified as "near"? I think 17 miles does it and believe the location referred to in this communication is Muir Woods National Monument.

Remember, whatever image the writer used to paste their message on would have to be a recognizable location. It was for "Sandy Beaches" and it was for the "peek through the pines" card. Why not Muir Woods National Monument?

If this is the case, and I'm just throwing all this out as a possibility, wouldn't it stand to reason that maybe, maybe, Marin County might have this communication?

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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Richard Grinell » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:01 pm

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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Cragle » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:16 pm

I do wonder about this one. What must it contain for it to never be released.

Unless of course that it was written by Karl F. Werner, but that still wouldn’t explain the mystery around it.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Soze » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:57 pm

Werner is thought to be the killer of Furlong and Snoozy. Furlong and Snoozy were once thought to have been killed by the Zodiac and thought to have satisfied the August portion of the "Des, July, Aug, Sept, Oct = 7" cipher. Werner is not the zodiac as he wasn't in area of some of the Zodiac's crimes. If Werner isn't zodiac then furlong/Snoozy don't satisfy the cipher mentioned above.

It's entirely possible, as stated in my previous post, the writer of the woods statement wasn't the Zodiac. Well if it wasnt the zodiac then who was it? Werner? If true then what is the communication for furlong/Snoozy? It wasn't the cipher mentioned above.

Also, what's the explanation for 21? Berlik was killed on the 11th. I can't imagine a killer ever forgetting a detail of murder.

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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Richard Grinell » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:13 pm

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