Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Seagull » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:35 pm

Park Headquarters and Rancho Monticello are two different places. Check out this vintage map for locations.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/5 ... viJven2aM8

Park Headquarters is where the park rangers work.

Rancho Monticello is a resort.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Dee » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:15 am

Monticello Road Intersects with Wooden Valley Road in Napa.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Dee » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:07 am

At the the end of wooden valley where the two road meet are many many trees.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3765487 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Slipper » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:46 pm

If I may stab in the dark.
The author uses the word Shought. It may not reference shot.
Anagram of shought is hot gush, which could refer to volcanic activity.
There is an area on Monticello road where there are volcanic exposures exemplifying the southeastern part of the Sonoma volcanic field
You can find Pyroclastic rocks in the area. Also it's off Hwy 121. 21 is mentioned in this letter.
I also believe you should look closely at the Burial of the dead, TS Elliot, for the reference to April and death.
One stanza stands out
It references both death by water and hints at the wheel of doom.
This could mean nothing, but, perhaps its something to reflect on.



Madame Sosostris, famous clairvoyante,
Had a bad cold, nevertheless
Is known to be the wisest woman in Europe,
With a wicked pack of cards. Here, said she,
Is your card, the drowned Phoenician Sailor,
(Those are pearls that were his eyes. Look!)
Here is Belladonna, the Lady of the Rocks,
The lady of situations.
Here is the man with three staves, and here the Wheel,
And here is the one-eyed merchant, and this card,
Which is blank, is something he carries on his back,
Which I am forbidden to see. I do not find
The Hanged Man. Fear death by water. 55
I see crowds of people, walking round in a ring.
Thank you. If you see dear Mrs. Equitone,
Tell her I bring the horoscope myself:
One must be so careful these days.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Tahoe27 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:47 pm

Interesting first post Slipper.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Slipper » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:19 pm

Thank you Tahoe. Its just some guesswork.If we can take Zodiacs misspelled words and see if they transliterate into Norse, or into sensible anagrams, maybe we find something.
I study younger Futhark due to my involvement in seeking Cicada 3301.
Whoever created that puzzle also uses Norse and is a Cryptonaut, like the elusive Zodiac.
The 340 cipher has never been looked at through Norse rune transliteration, as far as I can tell.
So, I am trying new methods.
Tahoe, I have a question. How many public phones were in Napa city in Sept 1969?
It troubles me that Pat Stanley just happened upon the pay phone.
He could have taken Jefferson St to Fwy, and not headed down Main St, if he were seeking pay phones.
I recall many pay phones on Trancas, Jefferson, and Lincoln, but only a few on Main.
Seems odd.
He was supposedly at the pay phone 4 minutes after the call. But as I understand it, the call went to Napa police and was then referred to Napa Sheriffs, where Pat happened to be at the moment. So how can the 4 minute estimate be accurate?
I apologize for my questions Tahoe. I am here to learn.
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby Tahoe27 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:44 pm

I have no idea how many pay phones Napa had back then. Probably at least as as many gas stations...and then some.

Trying to remember more about the guy who found the phone. Thought he just heard in via a police scanner.

Questions are good. ;)
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby UKSpycatcher » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:25 pm

Don't read this again if you've already read it. Just thought I'd bump it to a more appropriate section.

Many crimes have been suggested as possible Zodiac attacks, too numerous to mention, so sometimes the only course of action is to analyze murders and disappearances with commonalities, employing geographical profiling and possible routes or thoroughfares used by the killer.Previously we noticed several such events that occurred along two main travel routes, extending all the way from the Highway 132 abduction of Kathleen Johns on March 22nd 1970 to the disappearance of Donna Lass from South Lake Tahoe on September 6th 1970. One direct route encompassing Interstate 5 and Interstate 80 passes Sacramento, the scene of three murders in 1970, often mentioned in Zodiac circles.
Judith Hakari was a nurse at Sutter Hospital, who disappeared heading back to the Markston Apartments on March 7th 1970, her body eventually discovered just off Interstate 80. Nancy Bennallack was murdered on October 25th 1970 in her apartment, a residence close to Interstate 80. Carol Beth Hilburn was murdered on November 14th 1970, again extremely close to Interstate 80. This thoroughfare has strong connections with the Bay Area, passing straight through the heart of Vallejo.
To examine these connections in greater detail visit:
​http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-news/cruising-the-interstate.
Two years ago, a link was forged between the 30 year old murder case of Koy Ien Saechao (48) and Choy Fow Salee (40) and the possible 1986 Zodiac letter, and here we will attempt to do the same with another suspected Zodiac correspondence, regarding the case of missing Denise Kathleen Andersen, although unfortunately here we have very little information to work with.
Denise Kathleen Andersen (22), who resided in Sacramento, was last seen on April 13th 1971 by her roommates at approximately 05.30 am and as of writing her disappearance still remains a mystery, but clearly foul play is suspected. Bearing in mind the Interstate 80 route from Sacramento to South Lake Tahoe, we have disappearances and murders on March 7th 1970, September 6th 1970, October 25th 1970 and November 14th 1970, of Hakari, Lass, Bennallack and Hilburn respectively. Three of which occurred very close to their apartments. What occurred with Denise Kathleen Andersen after last being seen by her roommates is unknown, but her disappearance (and possible murder) again took place in Sacramento, near Interstate 80, only five months after the murder of Carol Beth Hilburn and exactly one month after the Zodiac 'Los Angeles' letter mailed on March 13th 1971, claiming 17+ victims. In this correspondence Zodiac stated "If the Blue Meannies are evere going to catch me, they had best get off their fat asses + do something. Because the longer they fiddle + fart around, the more slaves I will collect for my after life."
The question is, was Denise Kathleen Andersen one of them. With so little to go on, we may never know, but exactly three months later on July 13th 1971 a potential Zodiac correspondence, listed in the FBI files, was received by the San Francisco Chronicle, described as a picture with pasted letters. The wording read:
'Near Monticello Shought Victims 21 ...... In The Woods Dies April'
The first thing that needed answering was whether April was the name of the victim or the month of the murder.
Using the age range Zodiac was known to have targeted, no woman bearing the name April could be unearthed and the April 11th 1971 murder of Kathy Bilek was attributed to Karl Francis Werner, who was responsible for the double murder of Kathy Snoozy and Deborah Furlong. However the disappearance of Denise Kathleen Andersen has yet to be resolved.
The next thing to determine was 'near Monticello'.
The southern section of Monticello Road is only 16 miles from Vallejo and 2.4 miles from the Main Street payphone, where the Zodiac Killer placed his second phone call to police after the double stabbing and murder at Lake Berryessa. Interstate 80 travels from Sacramento towards Vallejo, and skirts past Monticello Road only 13 miles to the southeast.
Had the Zodiac headed from Sacramento to Vallejo after abducting Denise Kathleen Andersen and exited Interstate 80 at the closest point to Monticello Road, it would be a mere 6 miles to a notable section of Wooden Valley Road. This area is surrounded by dense woods, the perfect attack/disposal site for a serial killer, and being only 7 miles shy of Monticello Road would certainly fit the criteria of being 'near Monticello'.
Monticello Road heads northwards to Lake Berryessa, now covering the land mass once known as the town of Monticello, flooded over by the damming of Putah Creek in 1957. Any reference to Monticello by the Zodiac Killer would not be surprising, based on his previous historical references within his correspondence, namely The Mikado, and bearing in mind his third attack on Cecelia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell at Lake Berryessa.
This connection may not be as strong as the Sacramento double murder of Koy Ien Saechao and Choy Fow Salee on April 22nd 1986 and the 1986 Zodiac correspondence, however we have a dense wooded area just off Interstate 80, en route from Sacramento to Vallejo, near Monticello, and a woman's disappearance in April, in accordance with the noted timeline of three previous murders in 1970.
Regardless of whether this is a Zodiac crime, it is another tragedy for the family and friends of Denise Kathleen Andersen, who badly need answers in this long overdue cold case. If you can help please contact the Sacramento Police Department.
http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-new ... dies-april

http://www.nampn.org/cases/anderson_denise.html
Zodiac Ciphers at http://www.zodiacciphers.com/
Zodiac World News at http://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-rss-feed.html
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Re: Monticello - In the woods dies April 7/13/1971

Postby sandy betts » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:39 pm

Slipper wrote:Thank you Tahoe. Its just some guesswork.If we can take Zodiacs misspelled words and see if they transliterate into Norse, or into sensible anagrams, maybe we find something.
I study younger Futhark due to my involvement in seeking Cicada 3301.
Whoever created that puzzle also uses Norse and is a Cryptonaut, like the elusive Zodiac.
The 340 cipher has never been looked at through Norse rune transliteration, as far as I can tell.
So, I am trying new methods.
Tahoe, I have a question. How many public phones were in Napa city in Sept 1969?
It troubles me that Pat Stanley just happened upon the pay phone.
He could have taken Jefferson St to Fwy, and not headed down Main St, if he were seeking pay phones.
I recall many pay phones on Trancas, Jefferson, and Lincoln, but only a few on Main.
Seems odd.
He was supposedly at the pay phone 4 minutes after the call. But as I understand it, the call went to Napa police and was then referred to Napa Sheriffs, where Pat happened to be at the moment. So how can the 4 minute estimate be accurate?
I apologize for my questions Tahoe. I am here to learn.


Wasn't the Sheriffs dept only a couple of blocks from the phone booth? That would be the nearest phone I believe? He would have been driving in the direction of the car wash where he would notice the phone booth.
If he would have taken Jefferson towards the freeway, he wouldn't be going in the direction of Lake Berryessa. He probably figured the caller came from the direction of the lake and headed that way.
If you are thinking Pat Stanley was the killer, he couldn't have been at the Sheriffs dept that soon,he would have had to take the time to change his bloody clothes first I would think.
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