STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby traveller1st » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:33 am

You might find this useful.

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Here's a snippet for the 'My name is' envelope.

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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby masootz » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:07 am

thanks trav! while i'm thinking of it, the aug 4 1969 "debut of zodiac" letter has no known envelope, correct? i think that's the only one i'm missing. thanks.
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby traveller1st » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:11 am

Yeah the Aug 4th envelope isn't available. I had to leave grey boxes for that one.
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby duckking2001 » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:26 am

We know how many, more or less, stamps he sent in. Anyone know how many stamps came in a book? If he could've bought them all at once, he probably did. And to me that lends more likelihood that they were all from the same person, as opposed to him using a number that indicated that he bought them separately or on separate occasions.

Seems simple enough. I could look it up, as I said I don't know about stamps...I just bought them one at a time to send in bills before the internet... but maybe someone could save me the trouble if they do know.
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby traveller1st » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:48 am

duckking2001 wrote:We know how many, more or less, stamps he sent in. Anyone know how many stamps came in a book? If he could've bought them all at once, he probably did. And to me that lends more likelihood that they were all from the same person, as opposed to him using a number that indicated that he bought them separately or on separate occasions.

Seems simple enough. I could look it up, as I said I don't know about stamps...I just bought them one at a time to send in bills before the internet... but maybe someone could save me the trouble if they do know.



I don't know if or how it varied, or by how much, but Z kinda answered your question DK. Creepy lol.

25 in a book of 8 cent stamps.

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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby masootz » Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:46 am

http://arago.si.edu/index.asp?con=1&tid=2028981

"The gray brown 6-cent sheet stamp was issued January 28, 1966, in Hyde Park, New York. The sheet stamp was produced from plates of four hundred and sold in panes of one hundred stamps with gauge 10.5 x 11 perforations. The stamp was also produced as a vertical coil and booklet panes and issued December 28, 1967, in Washington, District of Columbia. The vertical booklet pane of eight 6-cent stamps was used in combination with the horizontal 1-cent Jefferson pane of eight. The horizontal booklet pane of six 6-cent stamps was used in combination with the vertical 2-cent Frank Lloyd Wright booklet pane of six. The later booklet was sold only through vending machines, at an even one dollar, requiring both the Roosevelt and Wright panes to have slogan labels substituted for one stamp on each pane. A revised horizontal coil version that accommodated stamp-affixing machines was issued on February 28, 1968, in the District of Columbia."

so the vertical booklet pane was eight six-cent stamps, the horizontal booklet pane was six six-cent stamps. the horizontal booklet was sold only through vending machines and would have had three pages of five roosevelt stamps (30c x 3) with each page having a sixth "slogan stamp" and then a fourth page of five frank lloyd wright two-cent stamps with the sixth slot on that page being a "slogan stamp". in 1968 a revised horizontal coil was issued so the stamps could be used in stamp-affixing machines.

basically we could probably tell which type of stamps he bought (indicating perhaps whether he used a vending machine for them) by the direction of the perforation if we had scans that were good enough to make out the perforation. additionally we could also hazard a guess that they came from the same book if the perforation matched what you'd see in a book (i.e. - a stamp with perforation on the right and bottom, another with left right and bottom, another with left and bottom would indicate the top row of the horizontal booklet).
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby smithy » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:05 am

I'd venture a small wager that the stamps were purchased from a vending machine. Just a hunch.
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby capricorn » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:56 pm

I'll bet he asked a friend to borrow a stamp or two on more than one occasion as well as asking the friend to drop the envelope in a mailbox for him after asking the friend to write "air mail" on the envelope.
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby smithy » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:44 pm

You don't like the way "Air Mail" is written, Cappy?
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Re: STAMPS on Confirmed Letters

Postby Tahoe27 » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:13 pm

capricorn wrote:I'll bet he asked a friend to borrow a stamp or two on more than one occasion as well as asking the friend to drop the envelope in a mailbox for him after asking the friend to write "air mail" on the envelope.


Too much risk for questions or getting caught, imo. "What are you writing the Editor about", "Why so much postage", "Why is there a circle-cross for the return address"... :) --just messin' on the last one.

These were letters coming from a murderer and some letters could have been published at his request. I think it too risky to ask someone to mail his work, who might have recognized something that may have been provided to the public later on.
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