BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

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BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby mike_r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:01 am

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I am reading a very interesting book from the 1970s called "The Family." It is by Ed Sanders and is a sometimes sarcastically funny account of the Manson Family. Out of the blue on p.116 and continuing for several pages thereafter is a discussion of an article that was written in an unnamed "Berkeley newspaper" by someone the author refers to by only one name--"Blaine."

It alleges that Blaine and a guy named "Richard" were prisoners in the "US Medical Center" in 1964. "Richard" had been transferred from McNeil Island prison in Washington State. Richard was apparently a spurned lover of a "prisoner from West Virginia," who turned out to be Manson. "Richard" stated that Manson was going to be a "great man someday."

I was wondering if anyone knows if this is actually Blaine Blaine. Due to the dates and timing and the fact that this article must predate the 1971 publication of this book, when Gyke was still very much alive, I doubt it is Blaine. But it was weird to hear "Berkeley," a reference to a newspaper (possibly underground?), a name with only one name in "Blaine" and a close friend named "Richard." If it is Blaine, I don't think his account is factual. Did he meet Gaikowski as early as 1964? I read that Gyke moved to CA in about 1963, so he was out there in 1964. I don't think Gyke was in prison that early and at any rate not in Washington State, transferred to another facility, etc. Is this BTB fiction?

Just strange to see all these names showing up together. I realize that even if is is Blaine and shows him to be a "serial killer groupie," his credibility has been declared "irrelevant" in the case against Gaikowski...

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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby Seagull » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:19 am

Discussion of this passage in Sanders book was brought up early on, when Gaikowski was first named as a suspect. It's buried somewhere in the Gaik threads at ZK.com. Gaikowski was never in prison, he was jailed for a few hours in the Contra Costa County jail. He had gotten himself arrested in order to write a piece on conditions in the jail or some such thing.

Sanders is an entertaining author but like the many authors of the Zodiac Killer much of his book is unsubstantiated or poorly sourced and like Graysmith much of his work has been soundly disproved. Whether or not Blaine in Sanders book is the Blaine that was Gaikowski's friend is unknown. Could be, Sanders was not shy about using people's true names, or at least the names they were commonly known by.
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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby mike_r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:25 am

Hi-

Did not know that this was discussed already. Even though the "facts" are not correct about "Richard," do we know if he was dragging Gyke into the Manson story at the time? Is "Richard" believed to have been Gyke?

I found this on a website. The website is a bit "corny" but...:

"Blaine Blaine", aka "Goldcatcher", aka "Zakatarious", has been conclusively exposed as a liar & hoaxter by Zodiac killer researchers:

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/blog/archi ... ther-name/

Blaine Blaine was Ed Sanders' principle source for the idea that Charles Manson was a practising & high-ranking Satanist. He is the author of the infamous "Father P. and Pussycat" fantasy, which starts on page 91 of my copy of "The Family".

As Blaine was almost certainly also a source of various fantasies for Ted Gunderson and Maury Terry, it's conceivable that this man was personally responsible for a large portion of the whole "murderous satanic cults in America" mythos.

http://dysgenicsreport.blogspot.com/201 ... -body.html

Never fear, Blaine is like the proverbial broken clock, which is right twice a day (unless it is digital and gives "AM" and "PM" readings, then only once. LOL!). Even if BTB is not credible, the stroy goes, Gyke is still the strongest suspect ever developed. That's what the disclaimer says. He even admitted it from the great beyond the other night...

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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby doranchak » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:49 am

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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby Seagull » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:10 am

It has never been proven that Manson was ever a Satanist. Manson's deal was to learn about the various dogmas of the times and weave them into his own "philosophy". He followed no one, he was not a joiner. Before Susan Atkins hooked up with Manson she did participate with Anton LaVey's Church of Satan in San Francisco. I can only surmise that this is how Manson was connected to the Church of Satan and that he probably did meet LaVey at some point.

Years later Nickolas Schreck, who is married to LaVey's daughter Zeena, collaborated with others to published "The Manson File" , a book sympathetic to Manson, and has had an off and on relationship with Manson for decades now. Schreck and his cohorts are the ones responsible for the 8-8-88 celebration in San Francisco that was staged to commemorate the anniversary of the Tate LaBianca murders. This event also was billed as a tribute to the Zodiac Killer. (Painted Black, Carl A Raschke 1990, page 236)

Brother Ely in Sanders story is a man named Victor Wild. He did participate in the occult and the dark side. Wild had a leather shop in San Jose, later in Santa Barbara. He was the person who made the buckskins Manson was wearing when he was famously arrested. There are kernels of fact within Sanders book but the way he connected those facts leaves a lot to be desired.
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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby mike_r » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:29 am

Hi-

That is not much discussion....

I wonder if "Richard" in this story is Gyke but Blaine just wove him into some fantasy story involving Manson and Satanism. Since Sanders' book did not come out until 1971, if this is a fantasy, the 1964 date mentioned in the story is meaningless. This story in the "Berkeley paper" could have appeared anytime prior to 1971 after BTB met Gaikowski, even if he did not know him as far back as 1964. I wonder if Blaine came up with this after he met Gaikowski. It would show that Blaine was weaving fantasy about RG even prior to his ramblings about the Z case involving Gyke.

It is just so weird to see BTB writing a story about some "other" Richard...

Too bad the original Berkeley story is not sourced....

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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby entropy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:54 pm

There was definitely another thread discussing this at zkiller.com but I can't find it offhand. The passage is from pages 79-82 in The Family, which is a really fascinating read for anyone interested in the dark side of the 60s counterculture. Blaine wrote for the Berkeley Barb so I do believe that "an interesting article that appeared in a Berkeley newspaper authored by a person named Blaine" is too much of a coincidence NOT to be Goldcatcher of Gyke fame. He claims that Manson was involved in a "death cult" operating out of "the notorious Waller Street Devil House", a former crash house run by the Diggers where Manson had previously stayed briefly. :twisted:

I also think it is likely that Blaine is referring to Gaikowski as Manson's former lover although that's less than certain and it is nearly impossible to sort out fact from fiction from fantasy with him. A lot of Blaine's claims are over the top but some of the goings on at that time were indeed stranger than fiction. I think the whole assortment of wild claims attributed to Blaine in this book are entirely consistent with some of his other writings and claims about Gaikowski.
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Re: BLAINE/MANSON CONNECTION?

Postby snooter » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:30 pm

gaik is interesting..but i have no use for blain..none
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