The morning of Ross' death

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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Tahoe27 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:23 pm

Thankfully, there are some folks who are more appealing for relatives to talk to. ;)
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"...they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs--other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac's doorstep." L.A. Times, 1969
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Paul_Averly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:54 am

morf13 wrote:Thanks for posting that info KTK, and welcome.

The stuff you said is interesting for sure. The issue for us has always been that we can't find anything at all for Ross during the crucial 1968-1974 timeframe. We don't know where he lived. One person that knew Ross and his brother Tim, thought Ross had lived in San Fran, but didn't have exact details. Allegedly, his brother Tim confided that he thought Ross was Zodiac, but didn't elaborate. Now Tim is dead, and Ross's surviving Brother wants nothing to do with talking about Ross. So we haven't made any progress, and as you pointed out, things that might leave a paper trail like medical records, etc are private


Tim did live in SF in 1969. For Tim to believe Ross was Z, he would have to know that Ross was 1) in the area of SF in 1969, and 2) Not locked up in jail or a mental facility.

I would think, based on Tim's suspicion that Ross was free and around SF when the Z crimes took place.
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Susie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:42 pm

Thanks for your post KilltheKing; however based on today's at least today's standards being obese would in no way qualify you for those types of benefits. You may qualify if you have a disability that could lead to obesity, but not for obesity. You also can work and receive these benefits as long as what you make does not exceed a certain amount. Medicaid programs began in 1965 and is referred to as Medi-cal in the state of California. You can receive SSI or SSDI if you have a disability. If he was on either of these he still would be able to work and qualify for his medical benefits that would pay for this type of residential setting. If he made too much for full coverage but not enough to lose his benefits he would have just had a share of cost for the home.
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby JeffP » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:15 pm

He would have been on disability based on his mental illness which was well documented by this point. We actually do know that Ross was at Agnews State Hospital from late 1970/early 1971 to ??? (likely late 1973). We have two witnesses to that: Jonathon and that guy who lived in Ross' 1967-68 apartment in Santa Cruz in 1970. We know Ross was taken away by Santa Cruz police after a bizarre incident in the fall of 1970.

We know that Ross' conservatorship began in December 1970.

Many mental patients, who had no other criminal convictions, were released in 1973 when court ruled state could not involuntarily keep mental patients unless they had been convicted of a crime, which Ross had not been. All he had to do was ask to leave at this point. That's when California set up programs that placed many mental patients in these assisted facilities. I always assumed that was the situation with Ross.
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby electromatic » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:15 pm

Devil's advocate: Why should we put much stock in Tim Sullivan's suspicions about his brother if we don't buy Steve Hodel's, Dennis Kaufman's, or Gary Stewart's allegations against their fathers (or stepfather in Kaufman's case)? And a secondhand account of Tim's suspicions, at that?
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Seagull » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:43 pm

I don't know that we put stock in his statements but since he is not alive any more to say why he believed his brother was Zodiac we have endeavored to learn why. Tim could have been totally off base but Ross was in key locations at the time of the murders, including Cheri Jo's murder. The librarian and other library workers believed Ross to be involved with Cheri Jo's murder and they did not know what Tim's suspicions were about is brother. That adds weight to Tim's statements.

The other people that you mention are still around and talking. The more they talk and present "evidence" the less we believe their suspects are viable.
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby morf13 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:51 am

electromatic wrote:Devil's advocate: Why should we put much stock in Tim Sullivan's suspicions about his brother if we don't buy Steve Hodel's, Dennis Kaufman's, or Gary Stewart's allegations against their fathers (or stepfather in Kaufman's case)? And a secondhand account of Tim's suspicions, at that?


see my other post, you are NOT going to post here strictly to troll a suspect! You are warned, and you will be banned if it continues
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby morf13 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:54 am

Seagull wrote:I don't know that we put stock in his statements but since he is not alive any more to say why he believed his brother was Zodiac we have endeavored to learn why. Tim could have been totally off base but Ross was in key locations at the time of the murders, including Cheri Jo's murder. The librarian and other library workers believed Ross to be involved with Cheri Jo's murder and they did not know what Tim's suspicions were about is brother. That adds weight to Tim's statements.

The other people that you mention are still around and talking. The more they talk and present "evidence" the less we believe their suspects are viable.


Tim suspected Ross was Zodiac for unknown reason. If Ross was in an institution in Santa Cruz during the Z murders, Tim would have no reason to suspect Ross, so obviously, there's something that Tim knew that we don't
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Skyward » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:56 pm

What I learned in this thread, Sullivan evidently has a living relative, we can get a familial DNA partial from that.

My thoughts on this topic regarding morning of death:

Mental outpatients who are under banner of schizophrenia can get qualified for Medicaid.

No autopsy is necessary if family doesn't request it in California, at least not in 1977.

He was likely dead several days before he was found, cremated at Soquel crematory and ashes scattered to ocean which is what they do when family does not purchase a headstone, a marker or a plot. The ocean is literally a few blocks from this facility.

We have a pic in 1959, he is definitely not 300 pounds -- don't get hung up on height and weight peeps it doesn't matter for locking this.

A person can gain a hundred pounds in a year, my experience working a documentary on obesity tells me this.

We don't need Tim's thoughts to confirm Ross as Z. We need Ross' handwriting.

We will need many of you for the real Zodiac story, you obviously have done outstanding work!
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Re: The morning of Ross' death

Postby Seagull » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:30 pm

Skyward wrote:He was likely dead several days before he was found, cremated at Soquel crematory and ashes scattered to ocean which is what they do when family does not purchase a headstone, a marker or a plot. The ocean is literally a few blocks from this facility.


Ross was not dead for several days before being found, he lived in a care home with staff that checked on the residents regularly. Ross's brother John was the informant on his death certificate not the person that found him. John as next of kin supplied (informed) the personal info needed for the death certificate, such as parents names, place of birth and time in California etc.

Due to Ross's size cremation was most likely the best and least costly way of dealing with the remains. Ross's immediate relatives were his two brothers who were both in their 20s with limited funds.
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